Comments We've Received
 What Others Have Said
WOW! I AM AMAZED
Hi Jim, I am sitting here completely amazed at hearing your few interviews on your site. I applaud your efforts to fight through the traditions of our Christian faith.
I grew up in a Christian home - Methodist/Baptist. Not one family member is willing to entertain any of these discussions.
I have been searching this topic of a literal fallen angel since 2005-6 !
I also have come to the conclusions that there was no rebellion in heaven, no eternal hell-fire, no "going to heaven" when we die, no immortal soul for all (righteous and wicked), no trinity, Jesus was a man like you and me with a nature that could be tempted but he never gave in to his desires (James 1).
I would sure like to email or talk.
By email is fine -- but I am sure interested in your journey and what faith "groups" have influenced your search.
In love,
Thomas
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Dear Mr. Brayshaw,
I saw your book on your website. I am also studying about this subject for almost 3 years though not continuously since I have to attend also to other things. I am really interested in your conclusion and in your book and I know it will help me in my spiritual journey. However, I can't obtain it due to lack of funds since paying in dollars here in the Philippines is quite expensive. Can you please help me in in any other way or it it is not too much of a burden on your part to have a complimentary copy of your book Satan Christianity's Other God I and II. Hope I would find a favorable response.
Thanks in advance.
Exxx M. Gxxxx
3xxx xxxville Subdivision,
Calambe, Lxxx xxx7
Philippines
(Yes, I sent this man a book}
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Please Make Note of the Humble Turn Around for the Person Who Wrote the Following:
i've explored the Bible thoroughly and know it to be true. the evidence i have is that Jesus is God, and He knows Satan is real. that's good enough for me.
~Justin
My Response:
Justin,
Are you aware that whenever the word Satan is found in the Scriptures it is never a proper noun?
Being as how you have explored the Bible thoroughly can you explain why God caused David to number the tribes of Israel in 2Samuel 24:1 and why Satan caused David to number the tribes of Israel in 1 Chronicle 21 when the chronicler writes the same story as is found in 2nd Samuel?
- 2Samuel 24:1-2 And again the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel, and he [provoked] David against them to say, Go, number Israel and Judah. 2 For the king said to Joab the captain of the host,
- 1Chronicles 21:1-2 And Satan stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel. 2 And David said to Joab and to the rulers of the people,
Who got David to number the tribes? Was it God or was it Satan?
Oh and I agree Jesus is God as is clear throughout my book but that being the case, then Peter must be Satan because the Messiah, God, called Peter Satan. Or is Judas Satan because He called him the Devil?
Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee.
But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: you are an offence to me: for you are not savouring the things of God, but those that are of men.
(Matthew 16:22-23)
How about the fact that evil comes from man’s heart as seen in James and from the mouth of God Himself in Matthew:
But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. Then when lust has conceived, it brings forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, brings forth death.
(James 1:14-15)
For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness: All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.
(Mark 7:21-23)
Justin I appreciate your position because I maintained the same position for most of my Christian life. The fact is, Satan is another God if he exists and I think if you invested a little time studying to “prove all things” as Paul puts it, you will see that even though the English words seem to suggest a literal Satan, those English words must be understood how the Hebrew believer of the first century would have understood them. Find out how things fit together in the Old Testament then you will find out what the Messiah thought. He is the one that said the Scriptures cannot be broken and when He said this He was not speaking about the New Testament because it was not yet written.
I have run into your view regularly and those situations are always the case where a Christian thinks they have understood the Greek teaching on Satan for their whole walk and will not explore it any further. If that is the case with you Justin then so be it…if you are not rigid about your understanding of a 2000 year old document written by Hebrew men, translated into the Greek language, and then passed down as an English text, then enjoy searching.. Feel free to download the Introduction to the book, the synopsis for the book or request chapter one for free from the web site. www.scog.ca
Best regards Justin
Jim Brayshaw Jr.
The Turn Around
interesting points. you've obviously done your research on this. i retract my previous statements, with apology. i haven't studied the original Hebrew, Aramaic, and have limited Greek knowledge, so i can't reply to your claims.
so you're saying that Satan isn't a real being? would you say the same of hell, that it's not a real place? was Satan not one of God's created beings - an angel cast out of heaven?
i would agree that man's heart is inherently evil, and that it's only God that can change us so that we are able to do His will, with His strength
thanks for your response on this. what is your goal with this book?
~Justin
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Other Notes to Jim
Hey Jim - thanks for your book. I bet you are not getting much encouragement from Christians. Sorry for that. Whenever people are threatened by something that is attacking their beliefs system they attack back. But how many of those same people even have done any research of their own on the subject of Hell or Satan? I would bet almost none of your critics. They have their pet proof texts but no in depth reading of the history of the concept and where what we think we believe today do we even know where it came from. Your thoughts remind me a lot of a book called "Pagan Christianity", that details different aspects of Christian beliefs that are actually very pagan. Why should your work be so threatening? Isn't finding out the truth about hell and Satan a good thing? You mean you want a Satan and you want a hell? I think some people really do. I am sorry that your work has cause many in the Christian community to reject you. To them I say, "Dare to have the courage to consider an alternative thought." Blessings to you Man! Keep questioning, keep asking, keep seeking.
~Dan in KC
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Hello Mr. Brayshaw,
I was given your site's link of http://www.scog.ca for your book "Satan Christianity's Other God" through an associate of mine.
From what I have seen of it online it contains some great information that needs to be addressed by modern 'christianity'.
For the record, there are some Christian pastors that understand exactly what you are teaching regarding "hasatan" and do not make this into another god and expose this false doctrine. Many within the "Christian Israel" or "Christian Identity" teach this position.
Ted Weiland, a author and pastor, teaches this Biblical position on 'satan' and has done for years. He preached an entire series of sermons on this actual topic that looks like went into the same places as your book does. At the time of first hearing this, I too was amazed that what was being preached through his sermons was not taught in most other churches. Only later did I find out that there are others that likewise taught this biblical truth too...
I hope that you continue to expose this truth and even can get a chance to review what some Christian pastors have taught on this topic that resounds with what you are saying. I am sure that they would find your material of interest as well as you might their's in regards to this one area of study.
Regards -
Jeremy Wxxxxx
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